Joe's Pond Vermont

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Ice Watch 2010

4/30 - Ice Out Award Ceremony is Sunday, 5/2, 1:00 PM at State Fishing Access
4/8 - The winner of the 2010 Joe's Pond Ice Out Contest is Bill Barber of St Johnsbury, VT. He won about $5000. See the Local News Blog later in the day for more details.
4/7 - We have a winner, and the winner guessed the exact date and time of ice out. There is one winner only, and the winner will receive about $5000. We will update this message as soon as we are able to contact the winner.
4/5 - THE ICE IS OUT !!!!! The clock stopped at 2:46 PM today, April 5, 2010. This is the earliest ice out in the history of the JP ice out contest.

The Joe's Pond Iceout Contest

Ticket Information

Tickets are available for printing online or by contacting JPA (email: JP Webmaster). Remember to keep the receipt portion of the ticket and send the stub with $1 for each ticket to: JPA, PO Box 111, W Danville, VT 05873. Make checks payable to "Joe's Pond Association".

2010 tickets are available as of 7/1/2009 through 4/1/2010 at: Harry's Hardware in Cabot; Joe's Pond Country Store and Hasting's Store both in West Danville; Marty's 1st Stop and Diamond Hill in Danville; Thurston Auto, Caplans, Natural Provisions and St. Jay Hardware in St. Johnsbury; Barre Subway, Dente's Market, Hope Cemetery, Barre Optical, Berg Carmolli and Kent, and Yankee Clipper Barber Shop in Barre; Walker Volkswagon in Montpelier; and Natural Provisions in Williston. Be sure to fill out each ticket stub carefully with your name and address so we will be able to contact you if you are a winner. Return ticket stub(s) with the proper amount of money to: JPA, P.O.Box 111, W Danville VT 05873. Tickets must be in or postmarked on 4/1/2010 at the latest. Good luck - and thanks for playing the game!

The Iceout Game and How it Grew

The Joe's Pond Ice-Out Contest came about as a result of cabin fever. In the mid 1980's, Jules Chatot, a Joe's Pond summer resident for many years, regularly visited his camp in the winter. He and his family and friends would hang out together to party, snowmobile, play cards-it was like "deer camp" in the dead of winter, or "spring break" in deep snow with howling winds and muddy roads.

The weather is always a favorite topic of conversation among Vermonters, and by late February or March people in the area of Joe's Pond invariably expand it to "when do you think the ice will go out?"

Jules and his friends, including JPA members Homer Fitts, George Karnady and Don Walker, had been making wagers for years about when the ice would be gone. They'd go into West Danville every day for coffee at the Joe's Pond Country Store or for supplies at Hastings Store, and naturally local folks had strong opinions and took up the challenge. Jules kept track for everyone in a little notebook he kept in his pocket.

Jules was president of the Joe's Pond Association and sometime in 1987, he and his buddies decided to turn the rapidly expanding friendly game into a real contest. They decided "a buck a guess" was fair, but then they needed some foolproof way to determine the actual time the ice was out. They put their heads together and came up with the hi-tech, sophisticated control system that is still in use now, twenty-three years later. They placed an old electric clock (now estimated to be at least 40 years old) on Homer Fitts' deck, tethered it to a cinder block wired to a wooden pallet placed about 100 feet out on the ice just off the fishing access by the Fitts' camp, and there it was-the perfect solution to inevitable arguments about when the ice was actually out of all the nooks and crannies and coves of the pond. When the block went down, the clock stopped, and that was it-the "official" ice-out time. Whoever guessed closest to the date and time the clock stopped won the contest.

That first year, April of 1988, there were a few hundred people in the game. By 1990, there were 1500 tickets sold, and to keep track of all the names, times, and dates, Jules' daughter, Judy, set up a database. In 1994, the database was turned over to an independent contractor, Manuel "Chico" Carcoba, who logged in 2,500 tickets. The game has grown steadily over the years, and in 2007, Chico logged in over 9,000 tickets and after the 2008 contest, he retired. In 2009, Karl Couillard logged in more than 12,000 tickets. People all over the United States and some from overseas play the game.

That first year, Ed Bird from West Danville won with his pick of April 26 at 12:31 p.m. Since then, there have been 25 winners from Vermont and five from out of state. Three times there have been multiple winners, four in 2002 (all Vermonters), three in 2006 (all Vermonters), and four in 2008. There have been 15 winning dates in April, the 16th being the earliest, and seven wins in May, and the latest was May 6 in 1992. Last year the clock stopped on April 20 at 10:21 p.m.

The Joe's Pond Ice-Out Contest isn't as much about winning (although thist year the winner got $5,000!!), it is more about playing the game and shaking off some of the effects of a long, cold Vermont winter and muddy spring-and it's about having fun. We aren't sure why so many folks from other states like to get into the game, but it sure makes it more interesting for everyone. The contest may also be about the data we collect. Click on the graph at left to enlarge it. The graph seems to show that the ice out date gets earlier as time goes on. The graph was submitted by Henretta's friend. Henretta said: "My friend from NY is a computer modeler, statistician and scientist." Henretta's friend, the scientist, etc., said: "I did a quick plot of the ice out dates going back to 1988, pretty interesting trend (red line) despite the annual variability. Even though the past 2 years your clock stopped due to wind / ice-rafting rather than the block actually dropping through the ice - I don't think your ice lasted more than another couple of days last year, and this year I'll bet it won't last the week either, so the trend wouldn't change much even if you took those anomalies into account."

Don Walker coordinated the contest for 15 years until 2003 when Dave Parker became chairman. Don is still very active, but now he is free to concentrate more on promotion and PR. In 2009, Diane Rossi and Jane Brown took over as co-chairs. After expenses, proceeds are split between the Joe's Pond Association and the contest winner. The Ice-Out Contest is the biggest fundraiser the Association has. Joe's Pond Association's share of the proceeds is used for our free public July Fourth Fireworks display.

2009 Iceout Contest Results

The ice on Joe's Pond went out on 4/5/2010 at 2:46 pm. The winner is: Bill Barber, St Johnsbury, VT. Bill won $5,000.

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